Nestor Posted October 27, 2015 Report Posted October 27, 2015 Idag blev det officiellt att Northrop Grumman tilldelas kontraktet på att tillverka nästa generation strategiskt bombflyg, Long Range Strike Bomber (LRS-B) för USAF. http://www.defense.gov/News/Contracts/Contract-View/Article/626128 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Range_Strike_Bomber Håller inte för orimligt att LRS-B blir av typen "flygande vinge", vilket NG visat sig vara duktiga på att utveckla och bygga. Dessutom verkar en uttalad ambition vara att ge LRS-B en tämligen omfattande ISR förmåga. Kommer bli spännande att följa detta projekt under de kommande åren. Surret pratar om IOC 2025. Quote
vikingman Posted October 28, 2015 Report Posted October 28, 2015 Blir intressant att se hur detta kommer att gå när B-2:an slutade på ett styckpris på 2 miljarder dollar styck! Med LRS-B siktar man på 564 miljoner dollar styck. http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/pentagon-to-award-long-range-strike-bomber-contract-tuesday/2015/10/27/7f299748-7cc3-11e5-beba-927fd8634498_story.html The Pentagon had previously said that each plane would cost $550 million in 2010 dollars. Air Force officials said they laid down that marker early in the program to signal how firm they would be on price. In the Pentagon briefing Tuesday afternoon, William LaPlante, the Air Force’s top acquisition official, said that an independent cost estimate put the price at $564 million per aircraft in current dollars, a figure he said was “reasonable and achievable.” He said there are also more than $20 billion in development costs. In a meeting with reporters last week, LaPlante and Lt. Gen. Arnold Bunch, his military deputy, said officials have gone to great lengths to prevent the kinds of problems that have plagued other programs. They have assigned a special team of acquisitions officials, known as the Rapid Capabilities Office, who handle classified programs with a track record of delivering “eye-watering capabilities,” LaPlante said. Program officials have also worked hard to guard against “requirements creep,” where new bells and whistles are added to a program, invariably making it more complicated and expensive. The B-2 bomber became a symbol of that type of failure. Initially the Pentagon planned to buy 132 of the B-2s but ended up buying 21 for about $2 billion each as the Cold War ended. Quote
Pal Posted October 28, 2015 Report Posted October 28, 2015 Det var goda nyheter för SAAB. För USA gör aldrig så att en tillverkare får alla kontrakt. Hade Boeing fått detta kontrakt så hade deras chanser att få skolflygplankontraktet minskat kraftigt. Quote
JakobS Posted October 28, 2015 Report Posted October 28, 2015 (edited) Blir intressant att se hur detta kommer att gå när B-2:an slutade på ett styckpris på 2 miljarder dollar styck! Med LRS-B siktar man på 564 miljoner dollar styck. Misstänker att en av huvudanledningarna till att Northrop fick kontraket är på grund av deras erfarenhet med B2. Av de två anbuden så är det nog dem som har bäst möjligheter att hålla priset nere. Det var goda nyheter för SAAB. För USA gör aldrig så att en tillverkare får alla kontrakt. Hade Boeing fått detta kontrakt så hade deras chanser att få skolflygplankontraktet minskat kraftigt. Jag tror nog att Boeings största problem var att de satt ihop med Lockheed. Edited October 28, 2015 by JakobS Quote
Pal Posted October 28, 2015 Report Posted October 28, 2015 Jag tror nog att Boeings största problem var att de satt ihop med Lockheed. Varför var det ett problem tänker du? Quote
JakobS Posted October 28, 2015 Report Posted October 28, 2015 (edited) Varför var det ett problem tänker du? Lockheed har ju fått väldigt många kontrakt från försvaret de senaste 10-15 åren. Edited October 28, 2015 by JakobS Quote
Pal Posted October 29, 2015 Report Posted October 29, 2015 Varför var det ett problem tänker du? Lockheed har ju fått väldigt många kontrakt från försvaret de senaste 10-15 åren. Ja ok, det håller jag med om. Lockheed har fått redan, nu har Northrop Grumman fått en stororder. Kvar är Boeing som ju turligt nog är i samarbete med SAAB om skolflygplan. Ser lovande ut. Quote
Andratenor Posted October 29, 2015 Report Posted October 29, 2015 Ja ok, det håller jag med om. Lockheed har fått redan, nu har Northrop Grumman fått en stororder. Kvar är Boeing som ju turligt nog är i samarbete med SAAB om skolflygplan. Ser lovande ut. Nja, det är nog inga garantier alls på det fältet. Boeing kommer att få orders på 100-200 st KC-46 till USAF och JASDF, så alla konglomerat har fått sina stororder. Skolplanet tror jag startar från rent bord. Quote
enigmatik Posted October 29, 2015 Report Posted October 29, 2015 Jeg tror at dette også har noe med strukturen i forsvarsindustrien å gjøre. Uten denne kontraktren kunne Northrop Grumman dratt seg ut som skrogprodusert og USA hadde i realiteten stått tilbake med et monopol på den militære utviklingssiden. Dvs man hadde fått same situasjon som i Europa med eneprodsenter som blir gitt kontrakter uten konkurranse hverken på innovasjon eller kostnader. Konsekvensen er at USA kunne endt som en middelmådige militærmakt på lik linje med alle andre Quote
vikingman Posted October 30, 2015 Report Posted October 30, 2015 Analysis of Northrop Grumman’s Long Range Strike Bomber http://hushkit.net/2015/10/28/analysis-of-northrop-grummans-long-range-strike-bomber/ What can we expect from their design? A large, cranked-kite layout with a significantly elongated wing and a central body as streamlined as weapon-carriage and fuel specifications will allow, with buried engines employing both intake and exhaust shrouding features. The question of optionally-manned appears to have gone quiet at the moment so we will see on that front but it will have to have a cockpit similar to the B-2 since the nuclear mission required crew capacity. To stay within cost boundaries, it is almost certain that the aircraft will be smaller than the B-2 and will complement, rather than replace the latter in the deep-penetration deterrence and power projection role. It will also most likely have highly sophisticated electronic attack capabilities. Quote
vikingman Posted November 8, 2015 Report Posted November 8, 2015 http://www.luchtzak.be/manufacturers/boeing/boeing-lockheed-martin-protest-air-force-bomber-contract-award/ Boeing and Lockheed Martin filed a formal protest today (St. Louis, Nov. 6, 2015) asking the U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) to review the decision to award the Long Range Strike-Bomber (LRS-B) contract to Northrop Grumman. Boeing and Lockheed Martin concluded the selection process for the Long Range Strike Bomber was fundamentally flawed. Quote
Nestor Posted November 8, 2015 Author Report Posted November 8, 2015 Det får väl knappast anses vidare förvånande att Boeing och LM överklagade. Quote
vikingman Posted December 3, 2015 Report Posted December 3, 2015 http://breakingdefense.com/2015/12/boeings-bomber-protest-is-fundamentally-flawed/ Boeing’s Bomber Protest Is Fundamentally Flawed Quote
JakobS Posted February 16, 2016 Report Posted February 16, 2016 (edited) Det blir Northrop som bygger LRS-B meddelades idag! Att Boeing överklagar ännu en gång får ses som osannolikt. https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/gao-denies-boeing-bid-to-overturn-lrs-b-contract-422009/ Edited February 16, 2016 by JakobS Quote
vikingman Posted June 18, 2016 Report Posted June 18, 2016 https://warisboring.com/senators-vote-to-keep-secret-the-price-of-americas-new-stealth-bomber-de484edff804#.5dixd5brx Senatorer i försvarskommitté röstar för att hemlighålla kostnaden för den nya B-21. Quote
vikingman Posted September 20, 2016 Report Posted September 20, 2016 http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2016/09/mil-160919-afns01.htm B-21 har fått ett namn: Raider. http://breakingdefense.com/2016/09/b-21-bomber-estimate-by-cape-511m-a-copy/ B-21 har en uppskattad kostnad av 511 miljoner USD per styck! Quote
vikingman Posted July 8, 2021 Report Posted July 8, 2021 Nytt om B-21 Raider. En ny bild har publicerats på B-21. Visar ett nytt vindrutearrangemang. Premiärflygning beräknas bli i maj 2022. USAF planerar köpa 149 st flygplan. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/41425/new-b-21-raider-stealth-bomber-rendering-released-by-the-air-force 1 Quote
Adeptus Bellum Posted December 2, 2022 Report Posted December 2, 2022 Roll-out genomförs klockan 0200 i natt. Jag tycker att det ändå är lite spännande 1 1 Quote
vikingman Posted December 3, 2022 Report Posted December 3, 2022 (edited) Skärmdump från roll-outen. Man fick bara se en fronvy av B-21 Raider. Det var tal av VD:n för Northrop Grumman, admiral Christoper W. Grady och USA:s försvarsminister. För jämnförelse, en bild på B-2 Spirit från Wikipedia: Edited December 3, 2022 by vikingman Quote
TKraften Posted December 3, 2022 Report Posted December 3, 2022 6 hours ago, vikingman said: Skärmdump från roll-outen. Man fick bara se en fronvy av B-21 Raider. Det var tal av VD:n för Northrop Grumman, admiral Christoper W. Grady och USA:s försvarsminister. För jämnförelse, en bild på B-2 Spirit från Wikipedia: Oki så det blir riktiga rutor? Har ju diskuterats att man skulle skippa rutor på flygplanet och ha högupplösta skärmar innanför som tar emot bilder från kameror. Detta i syfte att förenkla tillverkningen av planet samt att öka stealthen lite. //TF Quote
vikingman Posted December 3, 2022 Report Posted December 3, 2022 3 hours ago, TKraften said: Oki så det blir riktiga rutor? Har ju diskuterats att man skulle skippa rutor på flygplanet och ha högupplösta skärmar innanför som tar emot bilder från kameror. Detta i syfte att förenkla tillverkningen av planet samt att öka stealthen lite. //TF En längre artikel som nämner något om rutorna: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/this-is-the-b-21-raider-stealth-bomber "The windscreen that looked so puzzling in renderings is a bit more normal looking in reality. In fact, it is remarkably small with visibility very much optimized for viewing upward and forward. This makes sense for aerial refueling procedures. Beyond that, the visibility looks very poor out of the aircraft. The side small windows, which are curved as in the rendering, look as we originally posited, to likely be a low-observable compromise, with their shape minimizing the aspects that they can be seen by radar, especially from below. It will be interesting to learn more about how this feature came to be and just how far having no windows at all was pushed during the B-21’s design. There were serious discussions of the B-2 having no windows to maximize LO even back in the 1980s when issues with the windscreen and its inner tintable (for sudden nuclear blasts) removable pane were prevalent." Quote
vikingman Posted September 12, 2023 Report Posted September 12, 2023 Tre nya bilder på B-21 Raider har släppts. Två bilder från USA:s Defense Visual Information Distribution Service (DVIDS) och en bild från Northrop Grumman. Läs Tyler Rogoway:s analys av bilderna i The Drive:s artikel: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/b-21-raider-seen-like-never-before-in-new-images https://www.dvidshub.net/about/copyright "The appearance of U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) visual information does not imply or constitute DoD endorsement." Commercial Use Defined: Use of VI by any individual or entity for advertisements, marketing, promotion, solicitation, or fundraising purposes regardless of whether the user is a for-profit business, business industry organization, or non-profit organization, including an educational institution. Commercial use includes a particular individual posting VI on an internet-based capability that could then be distributed further, regardless of original intent. Commercial use does not include activities described as "Productions Authorized for DoD Assistance" below. Commercial Use Authorized. To the maximum extent practicable, all commercial uses are required to display the non-DoD endorsement disclaimer above. Commercial users are also requested to obscure all distinctive U.S. military markings (e.g., military emblems, rank insignia, tail or hull number, unit insignia, Service name) and other indicia that could connote DoD endorsement from DoD aircraft, missiles, ships, and other hardware or uniforms that may be used in any marketing or advertising campaign, to include any collateral products. Non-Commercial Use Authorized. Except in cases of "Production Authorized for DoD Assistance" described below, DoD VI may be distributed, copied, and used, for non-commercial, personal use, as well as historical, educational, or newsworthy purposes or activities. Display of the non-DoD endorsement disclaimer is requested. Productions Authorized for DoD Assistance. DoD VI obtained for use in a third-party production (e.g., motion pictures, documentaries, television and video productions) for which the Assistant to the Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs has authorized production assistance is governed under separate authority and project-specific terms pursuant to DoD Instruction 5410.15 or DoD Instruction 5410.16, and shall not be considered either Commercial Use or Non-Commercial Use, as described and authorized above. Quote
vikingman Posted November 12, 2023 Report Posted November 12, 2023 B-21 Raider flög för första gången fredagen den 10 november. Flygningen ägde rum från US Air Force Plant 42 i Palmdale, Kalifornien. https://breakingdefense.com/2023/11/b-21-raider-takes-first-flight/ https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/us-air-forces-new-b-21-raider-flying-wing-bomber-takes-first-flight-reuters-2023-11-10/ 1 Quote
TKraften Posted November 14, 2023 Report Posted November 14, 2023 On 11/12/2023 at 1:40 AM, vikingman said: B-21 Raider flög för första gången fredagen den 10 november. Flygningen ägde rum från US Air Force Plant 42 i Palmdale, Kalifornien. https://breakingdefense.com/2023/11/b-21-raider-takes-first-flight/ https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/us-air-forces-new-b-21-raider-flying-wing-bomber-takes-first-flight-reuters-2023-11-10/ Tack. Ser att man kör den gamla traditionen att inte fälla in hjulen under den första flygningen. Vilket underbart & fint bombflygplan. Tror Usa har IOC på detta plan redan januari 2025 tack vare den digitala revolutionen. //TF Quote
vikingman Posted December 21, 2023 Report Posted December 21, 2023 Spekulationer i artikeln om B-21 blir USAF:s sista bemannnade bombflygpan https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/b-21-raider-bomber-question-everyone-keeps-asking-208064: Quote
vikingman Posted April 28, 2024 Report Posted April 28, 2024 Air Force Looking At Options Beyond The B-21 Raider Is Absolutely Necessary https://www.twz.com/air/air-force-looking-at-options-beyond-the-b-21-raider-is-absolutely-necessary Quote
vikingman Posted October 27, 2024 Report Posted October 27, 2024 USAF önskar fler än 100 st B-21 Raiders säger Northrop Grumman. B-21 Raider Fleet Size Under Review Quote Kathy Warden, Northrop Grumman’s CEO, talked about the present state of the B-21 program and her company’s expectations for the future during a quarterly earnings call earlier today. The Air Force’s publicly stated plan has long been to buy at least 100 Raiders, but there have been discussions for years now about the possibility of the service acquiring significantly more of the bombers. “I think that’s exactly what the Air Force is looking at,” Warden said. “They are undertaking a force structure design review and the Secretary [of the Air Force Frank Kendall] has been open about looking at the various options they have for increasing their force size, and has talked specifically about NGAD, and we know that B-21 is in the mix, as well.” Quote
vikingman Posted July 20, 2025 Report Posted July 20, 2025 Former USAF Fighter Pilot Reacts to NEWEST IMAGES of the B-21 Raider. Quote
vikingman Posted April 15 Report Posted April 15 B-21 Raider Seen From Above For The First Time https://www.twz.com/air/b-21-raider-like-you-have-never-seen-it-before Quote
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