Frivilliga Sjukvårdare?

[Fk Satan]

Ryssland och finland är två länder om jag inte minns fel som har antagit och genomfört konventionen om minor... Även alla dessa terror organisationer har inte genomfört direkt mkt av vad som finns i de olika konventionerna...

 

Rödakorset märkningen på utrustning har två syften, 1 alla ska veta vad som finns i den väskan etc. Samt att man inte får förstöra rödakors märkt utrustning. Dvs jag får inte spränga upp bataljonens sjv-transportfordon och elda upp deras sjvutrustning bara för att hindra att de skall falla i Fi händer...

 

sedan om soldater inte får ha rödakorsmärkt utrustning på sig, hur kommer det sig då att soldater får bära förstaförbannd?

[bushman]

sedan om soldater inte får ha rödakorsmärkt utrustning på sig, hur kommer det sig då att soldater får bära förstaförbannd?

 

lysande det får jag ta och fråga nästa gång RK-alfahonan står och ylar om folkrätt och konventioner :P

[Hans Engström]

Det är en bra idé att be RK personal att bevisa sina små teser. Följande passager anser jag vara relativt talande;

 

Chapter III. Medical Units and Establishments

 

Art. 19. Fixed establishments and mobile medical units of the Medical Service may in no circumstances be attacked, but shall at all times be respected and protected by the Parties to the conflict. Should they fall into the hands of the adverse Party, their personnel shall be free to pursue their duties, as long as the capturing Power has not itself ensured the necessary care of the wounded and sick found in such establishments and units.

 

The responsible authorities shall ensure that the said medical establishments and units are, as far as possible, situated in such a manner that attacks against military objectives cannot imperil their safety.

 

Art. 20. Hospital ships entitled to the protection of the Geneva Convention for the Amelioration of the Condition of Wounded, Sick and Shipwrecked Members of Armed Forces at Sea of 12 August 1949, shall not be attacked from the land.

 

Art. 21. The protection to which fixed establishments and mobile medical units of the Medical Service are entitled shall not cease unless they are used to commit, outside their humanitarian duties, acts harmful to the enemy. Protection may, however, cease only after a due warning has been given, naming, in all appropriate cases, a reasonable time limit, and after such warning has remained unheeded.

 

Art. 22. The following conditions shall not be considered as depriving a medical unit or establishment of the protection guaranteed by Article 19: (1) That the personnel of the unit or establishment are armed, and that they use the arms in their own defence, or in that of the wounded and sick in their charge. (2) That in the absence of armed orderlies, the unit or establishment is protected by a picket or by sentries or by an escort. (3) That small arms and ammunition taken from the wounded and sick and not yet handed to the proper service, are found in the unit or establishment. (4) That personnel and material of the veterinary service are found in the unit or establishment, without forming an integral part thereof. (5) That the humanitarian activities of medical units and establishments or of their personnel extend to the care of civilian wounded or sick.

 

Art. 23. In time of peace, the High Contracting Parties and, after the outbreak of hostilities, the Parties thereto, may establish in their own territory and, if the need arises, in occupied areas, hospital zones and localities so organized as to protect the wounded and sick from the effects of war, as well as the personnel entrusted with the organization and administration of these zones and localities and with the care of the persons therein assembled.

 

Upon the outbreak and during the course of hostilities, the Parties concerned may conclude agreements on mutual recognition of the hospital zones and localities they have created. They may for this purpose implement the provisions of the Draft Agreement annexed to the present Convention, with such amendments as they may consider necessary.

 

The Protecting Powers and the International Committee of the Red Cross are invited to lend their good offices in order to facilitate the institution and recognition of these hospital zones and localities.

 

Chapter IV. Personnel

 

Art. 24. Medical personnel exclusively engaged in the search for, or the collection, transport or treatment of the wounded or sick, or in the prevention of disease, staff exclusively engaged in the administration of medical units and establishments, as well as chaplains attached to the armed forces, shall be respected and protected in all circumstances.

 

Art. 25. Members of the armed forces specially trained for employment, should the need arise, as hospital orderlies, nurses or auxiliary stretcher-bearers, in the search for or the collection, transport or treatment of the wounded and sick shall likewise be respected and protected if they are carrying out these duties at the time when they come into contact with the enemy or fall into his hands.

 

Art. 26. The staff of National Red Cross Societies and that of other Voluntary Aid Societies, duly recognized and authorized by their Governments, who may be employed on the same duties as the personnel named in Article 24, are placed on the same footing as the personnel named in the said Article, provided that the staff of such societies are subject to military laws and regulations.

 

Each High Contracting Party shall notify to the other, either in time of peace or at the commencement of or during hostilities, but in any case before actually employing them, the names of the societies which it has authorized, under its responsibility, to render assistance to the regular medical service of its armed forces.

 

Art. 27. A recognized Society of a neutral country can only lend the assistance of its medical personnel and units to a Party to the conflict with the previous consent of its own Government and the authorization of the Party to the conflict concerned. That personnel and those units shall be placed under the control of that Party to the conflict.

 

The neutral Government shall notify this consent to the adversary of the State which accepts such assistance. The Party to the conflict who accepts such assistance is bound to notify the adverse Party thereof before making any use of it.

 

In no circumstances shall this assistance be considered as interference in the conflict.

 

The members of the personnel named in the first paragraph shall be duly furnished with the identity cards provided for in Article 40 before leaving the neutral country to which they belong.

 

Art. 28. Personnel designated in Articles 24 and 26 who fall into the hands of the adverse Party, shall be retained only in so far as the state of health, the spiritual needs and the number of prisoners of war require.

 

Personnel thus retained shall not be deemed prisoners of war. Nevertheless they shall at least benefit by all the provisions of the Geneva Convention relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War of 12 August 1949. Within the framework of the military laws and regulations of the Detaining Power, and under the authority of its competent service, they shall continue to carry out, in accordance with their professional ethics, their medical and spiritual duties on behalf of prisoners of war, preferably those of the armed forces to which they themselves belong. They shall further enjoy the following facilities for carrying out their medical or spiritual duties:

 

(a) They shall be authorized to visit periodically the prisoners of war in labour units or hospitals outside the camp. The Detaining Power shall put at their disposal the means of transport required. (B) In each camp the senior medical officer of the highest rank shall be responsible to the military authorities of the camp for the professional activity of the retained medical personnel. For this purpose, from the outbreak of hostilities, the Parties to the conflict shall agree regarding the corresponding seniority of the ranks of their medical personnel, including those of the societies designated in Article 26. In all questions arising out of their duties, this medical officer, and the chaplains, shall have direct access to the military and medical authorities of the camp who shall grant them the facilities they may require for correspondence relating to these questions. © Although retained personnel in a camp shall be subject to its internal discipline, they shall not, however, be required to perform any work outside their medical or religious duties.

 

During hostilities the Parties to the conflict shall make arrangements for relieving where possible retained personnel, and shall settle the procedure of such relief.

 

None of the preceding provisions shall relieve the Detaining Power of the obligations imposed upon it with regard to the medical and spiritual welfare of the prisoners of war.

 

Art. 29. Members of the personnel designated in Article 25 who have fallen into the hands of the enemy, shall be prisoners of war, but shall be employed on their medical duties in so far as the need arises.

 

Art. 30. Personnel whose retention is not indispensable by virtue of the provisions of Article 28 shall be returned to the Party to the conflict to whom they belong, as soon as a road is open for their return and military requirements permit.

 

Pending their return, they shall not be deemed prisoners of war. Nevertheless they shall at least benefit by all the provisions of the Geneva Convention relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War of 12 August 1949. They shall continue to fulfil their duties under the orders of the adverse Party and shall preferably be engaged in the care of the wounded and sick of the Party to the conflict to which they themselves belong.

 

On their departure, they shall take with them the effects, personal belongings, valuables and instruments belonging to them.

 

Art. 31. The selection of personnel for return under Article 30 shall be made irrespective of any consideration of race, religion or political opinion, but preferably according to the chronological order of their capture and their state of health.

 

As from the outbreak of hostilities, Parties to the conflict may determine by special agreement the percentage of personnel to be retained, in proportion to the number of prisoners and the distribution of the said personnel in the camps.

 

Art. 32. Persons designated in Article 27 who have fallen into the hands of the adverse Party may not be detained.

 

Unless otherwise agreed, they shall have permission to return to their country, or if this is not possible, to the territory of the Party to the conflict in whose service they were, as soon as a route for their return is open and military considerations permit.

 

Pending their release, they shall continue their work under the direction of the adverse Party; they shall preferably be engaged in the care of the wounded and sick of the Party to the conflict in whose service they were. On their departure, they shall take with them their effects personal articles and valuables and the instruments, arms and if possible the means of transport belonging to them.

 

The Parties to the conflict shall secure to this personnel, while in their power, the same food, lodging, allowances and pay as are granted to the corresponding personnel of their armed forces. The food shall in any case be sufficient as regards quantity, quality and variety to keep the said personnel in a normal state of health.

 

Chapter V. Buildings and Material

 

Art. 33. The material of mobile medical units of the armed forces which fall into the hands of the enemy, shall be reserved for the care of wounded and sick.

 

The buildings, material and stores of fixed medical establishments of the armed forces shall remain subject to the laws of war, but may not be diverted from their purpose as long as they are required for the care of wounded and sick. Nevertheless, the commanders of forces in the field may make use of them, in case of urgent military necessity, provided that they make previous arrangements for the welfare of the wounded and sick who are nursed in them.

 

The material and stores defined in the present Article shall not be intentionally destroyed.

 

Art. 34. The real and personal property of aid societies which are admitted to the privileges of the Convention shall be regarded as private property.

 

The right of requisition recognized for belligerents by the laws and customs of war shall not be exercised except in case of urgent necessity, and only after the welfare of the wounded and sick has been ensured.

 

Chapter VI. Medical Transports

 

Art. 35. Transports of wounded and sick or of medical equipment shall be respected and protected in the same way as mobile medical units.

 

Should such transports or vehicles fall into the hands of the adverse Party, they shall be subject to the laws of war, on condition that the Party to the conflict who captures them shall in all cases ensure the care of the wounded and sick they contain.

 

The civilian personnel and all means of transport obtained by requisition shall be subject to the general rules of international law.

 

Art. 36. Medical aircraft, that is to say, aircraft exclusively employed for the removal of wounded and sick and for the transport of medical personnel and equipment, shall not be attacked, but shall be respected by the belligerents, while flying at heights, times and on routes specifically agreed upon between the belligerents concerned.

 

They shall bear, clearly marked, the distinctive emblem prescribed in Article 38, together with their national colours on their lower, upper and lateral surfaces. They shall be provided with any other markings or means of identification that may be agreed upon between the belligerents upon the outbreak or during the course of hostilities.

 

Unless agreed otherwise, flights over enemy or enemy-occupied territory are prohibited.

 

Medical aircraft shall obey every summons to land. In the event of a landing thus imposed, the aircraft with its occupants may continue its flight after examination, if any.

 

In the event of an involuntary landing in enemy or enemy-occupied territory, the wounded and sick, as well as the crew of the aircraft shall be prisoners of war. The medical personnel shall be treated according to Article 24 and the Articles following.

 

Art. 37. Subject to the provisions of the second paragraph, medical aircraft of Parties to the conflict may fly over the territory of neutral Powers, land on it in case of necessity, or use it as a port of call. They shall give the neutral Powers previous notice of their passage over the said territory and obey all summons to alight, on land or water. They will be immune from attack only when flying on routes, at heights and at times specifically agreed upon between the Parties to the conflict and the neutral Power concerned.

 

The neutral Powers may, however, place conditions or restrictions on the passage or landing of medical aircraft on their territory. Such possible conditions or restrictions shall be applied equally to all Parties to the conflict.

 

Unless agreed otherwise between the neutral Power and the Parties to the conflict, the wounded and sick who are disembarked, with the consent of the local authorities, on neutral territory by medical aircraft, shall be detained by the neutral Power, where so required by international law, in such a manner that they cannot again take part in operations of war. The cost of their accommodation and internment shall be borne by the Power on which they depend.

 

Chapter VII. The Distinctive Emblem

 

Art. 38. As a compliment to Switzerland, the heraldic emblem of the red cross on a white ground, formed by reversing the Federal colours, is retained as the emblem and distinctive sign of the Medical Service of armed forces.

 

Nevertheless, in the case of countries which already use as emblem, in place of the red cross, the red crescent or the red lion and sun on a white ground, those emblems are also recognized by the terms of the present Convention.

 

Art. 39. Under the direction of the competent military authority, the emblem shall be displayed on the flags, armlets and on all equipment employed in the Medical Service.

 

Art. 40. The personnel designated in Article 24 and in Articles 26 and 27 shall wear, affixed to the left arm, a water-resistant armlet bearing the distinctive emblem, issued and stamped by the military authority.

 

Such personnel, in addition to wearing the identity disc mentioned in Article 16, shall also carry a special identity card bearing the distinctive emblem. This card shall be water-resistant and of such size that it can be carried in the pocket. It shall be worded in the national language, shall mention at least the surname and first names, the date of birth, the rank and the service number of the bearer, and shall state in what capacity he is entitled to the protection of the present Convention. The card shall bear the photograph of the owner and also either his signature or his finger-prints or both. It shall be embossed with the stamp of the military authority.

 

The identity card shall be uniform throughout the same armed forces and, as far as possible, of a similar type in the armed forces of the High Contracting Parties. The Parties to the conflict may be guided by the model which is annexed, by way of example, to the present Convention. They shall inform each other, at the outbreak of hostilities, of the model they are using. Identity cards should be made out, if possible, at least in duplicate, one copy being kept by the home country.

 

In no circumstances may the said personnel be deprived of their insignia or identity cards nor of the right to wear the armlet. In case of loss, they shall be entitled to receive duplicates of the cards and to have the insignia replaced.

 

Art. 41. The personnel designated in Article 25 shall wear, but only while carrying out medical duties, a white armlet bearing in its centre the distinctive sign in miniature; the armlet shall be issued and stamped by the military authority.

 

Military identity documents to be carried by this type of personnel shall specify what special training they have received, the temporary character of the duties they are engaged upon, and their authority for wearing the armlet.

 

Art. 42. The distinctive flag of the Convention shall be hoisted only over such medical units and establishments as are entitled to be respected under the Convention, and only with the consent of the military authorities. In mobile units, as in fixed establishments, it may be accompanied by the national flag of the Party to the conflict to which the unit or establishment belongs.

 

Nevertheless, medical units which have fallen into the hands of the enemy shall not fly any flag other than that of the Convention. Parties to the conflict shall take the necessary steps, in so far as military considerations permit, to make the distinctive emblems indicating medical units and establishments clearly visible to the enemy land, air or naval forces, in order to obviate the possibility of any hostile action.

 

Art. 43. The medical units belonging to neutral countries, which may have been authorized to lend their services to a belligerent under the conditions laid down in Article 27, shall fly, along with the flag of the Convention, the national flag of that belligerent, wherever the latter makes use of the faculty conferred on him by Article 42.

 

Subject to orders to the contrary by the responsible military authorities, they may on all occasions fly their national flag, even if they fall into the hands of the adverse Party.

 

Art. 44. With the exception of the cases mentioned in the following paragraphs of the present Article, the emblem of the red cross on a white ground and the words " Red Cross" or " Geneva Cross " may not be employed, either in time of peace or in time of war, except to indicate or to protect the medical units and establishments, the personnel and material protected by the present Convention and other Conventions dealing with similar matters. The same shall apply to the emblems mentioned in Article 38, second paragraph, in respect of the countries which use them. The National Red Cross Societies and other societies designated in Article 26 shall have the right to use the distinctive emblem conferring the protection of the Convention only within the framework of the present paragraph.

 

Furthermore, National Red Cross (Red Crescent, Red Lion and Sun) Societies may, in time of peace, in accordance with their rational legislation, make use of the name and emblem of the Red Cross for their other activities which are in conformity with the principles laid down by the International Red Cross Conferences. When those activities are carried out in time of war, the conditions for the use of the emblem shall be such that it cannot be considered as conferring the protection of the Convention; the emblem shall be comparatively small in size and may not be placed on armlets or on the roofs of buildings.

 

The international Red Cross organizations and their duly authorized personnel shall be permitted to make use, at all times, of the emblem of the red cross on a white ground.

 

As an exceptional measure, in conformity with national legislation and with the express permission of one of the National Red Cross (Red Crescent, Red Lion and Sun) Societies, the emblem of the Convention may be employed in time of peace to identify vehicles used as ambulances and to mark the position of aid stations exclusively assigned to the purpose of giving free treatment to the wounded or sick.

 

Notera sektionerna om avstånd till militära förband (regleras ej), vapen (regleras ej), Märkning (anger skydd av mtrl om det anbringas på mtrl, anger skydd av person om det anbringas som armbindel)

Edited August 14, 2006 by Hans Engström

[skaya]

Det regleras under punkt 19, att man ska hålla sjukvården borta från (situated in such a manner) militära objekt så att angrepp mot dessa inte drabbar sjukvården. Således är det helt OK att bomba skiten ur ett militärt objekt med ett fältsjukhus just invid. Då får fältsjukhuset "skylla sig självt".

 

I Sverige säger man 500 meter för att undvika splitter. Detta får vackert anpassa sig efter hotbild förstås.

 

Beväpning regleras under 22:1.

 

Jag föreslår en debatt som syftar till att stampa ur så mycket bra som det bara går ur det samarbete som RK har med FM idag - det är helt enkelt det vi har att spela på fram till 2008, sen får vi väl se...

What say yee?

Edited August 14, 2006 by skaya

[Fk Satan]

@Hans Engström

 

Detta med avstånd är oxå intressant. Många säger att det är 500m från trupp som gäller. Och tror att detta är ngn grundregel. Dock är det ett enkelt sätt för utbildare att säga vilket avstånd som gäller. (jmf invid när det är skyddsobjekt. Vissa säger 15m, andra säger avståndet 0,1 meter dvs avståndet indvid är inte definierat).

 

Utan enda avståndet är "ska inte gå att sammanblanda". Dock kan man vid en art. gruppering ha sjv tält uppslagna osv. Samt RK-märket dolt. Om det blir ett skadeutfall och pjäserna slutar skjuta och det blir ett omhändertagande av skadade på platsen så kan sjv tälten plocka fram sina RK och då kräva skyddet.

 

Samma sak är det med am i ambulanser och rödakorsmärkta fordon. Du kan ha mängder med am i dessa, om det är am transporter till annan rk-märkt personal...

 

Samma sak med stridsvagn. Dessa går att rita stora röda kors på om de används för att transportera skadade och får då enbart använda sin kannon för självskydd.

 

visst de två sista fallen är lite av "slamkrypare" men det går att hårddra dessa konventioner väldigt långt. Och det är inte något som RK är direkt duktiga på.

 

När jag är ute på övningar som Blå/Gul älskar jag att dömma ut RK personal som skadade om de inte tar skydd. För en kula, splitter etc stannar inte och kontroller vad den är på väg att träffa.... Så ni som är ute på övningar, ha med er splitterskadekort som ni kan kasta på RK-personalen om de inte uppträder på ett korrekt sätt. Det är bättre att de får vara lite sura nu än totalt döda när kriget kommer...

 

@skaya

 

Går att plocka bort RK-märkningen från sjv-inrättningar som är grupperade nära objekt. Men då får man vara beredd på lite mindre trevliga saker...

Edited August 14, 2006 by Fk Satan

[skaya]

Visst går det bra att göra det, men det gör egentligen detsamma ur folkrättssynpunkt. I ditt exempel så är det fortfarande OK att slå ut art-grupperingen även sedan sjukvårdarna plockar fram sitt märke.

 

FK! Du har PM!

[AdamAdam]

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Rödakorset märkningen på utrustning har två syften, 1 alla ska veta vad som finns i den väskan etc. Samt att man inte får förstöra rödakors märkt utrustning. Dvs jag får inte spränga upp bataljonens sjv-transportfordon och elda upp deras sjvutrustning bara för att hindra att de skall falla i Fi händer...

Strålande utrett! Tack för det klarläggandet.

 

Finns det inte en regel om förbud att plundra RK-märkta prylar också? Dvs, hittar man en intakt förbandsplats så får man bara ta det som behövs, typ. Eller minns jag fel?

[Hans Engström]

Det ärförbjudet att plundra, punkt. Eller missförstår jag din fråga?

[Fk Satan]

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Rödakorset märkningen på utrustning har två syften, 1 alla ska veta vad som finns i den väskan etc. Samt att man inte får förstöra rödakors märkt utrustning. Dvs jag får inte spränga upp bataljonens sjv-transportfordon och elda upp deras sjvutrustning bara för att hindra att de skall falla i Fi händer...

Strålande utrett! Tack för det klarläggandet.

 

Finns det inte en regel om förbud att plundra RK-märkta prylar också? Dvs, hittar man en intakt förbandsplats så får man bara ta det som behövs, typ. Eller minns jag fel?

 

 

1, Fi får inte förstöra RK-märkt utrustning när de drar sig tillbaka från FB-platsen.

2, Ni får använda det ni anser er har nytta av. Vilket kan innebära att ni kan montera ner FB-platsen och använder den själva. Eller använder Sjv-fordonen som finns kvar där.

3, Ni får inte elda upp eller förstöra utrustningen där för att hindra Fi att återfå utrustningen.

 

Så det finns en tydlig skillnand mellan att använda och förstöra. Jmf pbv301 som är rk-märkt. Den får ni inte förstöra i syfte att hindra att den faller i fi händer. Fi kan komma att tänkas använda dessa fordon att köra skadade med. Detta är en av orsakerna att man monterar bort tyngre beväpningar från svenska sjv-transportfordon. För vad säger att Fi inte tar bort RK-märkningen och använder fordonet mot oss?