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James "Jim" Shortt(english/irish), Had a long adventure with the swedish MoD

 

It started back in the years of the cold war and went all the way to Tuzla during NORDBAT.

 

It seems difficult to understand WHY ??? the swedish MoD needed the services of this gentleman!

 

He claims to have a military background from the SAS, it seems quite hard to verify. He later served with an outfit called STS (Special Training Services) an MI6 cover up of Black OPS and sensitive operations.

 

Anyways he, turned up in Sweden in connection with STS and the swedish MoD in 1983, later again confirmed in 1985. 1986 taking part in education at JGS at K3 and also with Lars Fält at FÔS also at JGS

 

In the later parts he undertakes a mission to Afghanistan also in connection with the swedish MoD

 

1990 he turns up at K1 where he works with a guy called Tamas Weber. Weber a person from the martial arts field and with a claim of beeing a valiant Legion Etrangere soldier. In reality he was only there a bit more than 2 years and never finished his first contract.

 

Shortt and Weber teaches student CQB/CQC.

 

Shortt is also a regular visitor at KA3 , on the shooting ranges etc.

 

I have heard a few rumors of him having 2 "bodyguards" with him from the sedish MoD permanently during his stays.

 

He gives lectures on Anti Spetnaz mission at Karlberg and is later almost arrested in central Stockholm as he is exposed with a loaded AK 47 in a restaurent.

 

He asked the police leader of PIKETEN to call a specific number, and he was left with the gun in the restaurent.

 

To me it seems cracy ...or is this gentleman involved with a highly sensitive operation on behalf of the swedish MoD

 

Or in a joint venture of Sweden and the MI6 ??

 

Maybe some of the members of this forum can give hints or information of the right context

 

In advance I thank you

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well he was in Sweden I just want to know who invited him, and how he ended up in K3, K1 and KA3 in the midle of the cold war

 

was he jus another englishman that MI6 sent to train in Sweden just as the swedes sent operators to train with the SAS at Hereford

 

there must be someone that have meet him during the perionde of 1983 to 1985???

 

Any help would be nice

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well he was in Sweden I just want to know who invited him, and how he ended up in K3, K1 and KA3 in the midle of the cold war

 

was he jus another englishman that MI6 sent to train in Sweden just as the swedes sent operators to train with the SAS at Hereford

 

there must be someone that have meet him during the perionde of 1983 to 1985???

 

Any help would be nice

 

Hi there Bluesky.

 

After checking the link provided above I, as maybe should you, find it very hard to believe that Jim was sent here by MI6, or any other government body/entity. It is probably so that he's been here but most certainly by own accord and by fooling someone within the Swedish organisation.

 

Furthermore you seem to have a lot of information regarding Jim's activities in Sweden, however without proving a shred of sources or proof of alleged missions in Afghanistan etc.

 

To me he's clearly a Walter Mitty, but maybe you like to enlighten us to why you keep hinting that his stay here was sanctioned by the UK, and that he's connected to the Vauxhall Cross?

 

GMY

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And who are you Bluesky?

Why dont we start there,,

 

James "Jim" Shortt(english/irish), Had a long adventure with the swedish MoD

 

It started back in the years of the cold war and went all the way to Tuzla during NORDBAT.

 

It seems difficult to understand WHY ??? the swedish MoD needed the services of this gentleman!

 

He claims to have a military background from the SAS, it seems quite hard to verify. He later served with an outfit called STS (Special Training Services) an MI6 cover up of Black OPS and sensitive operations.

 

Anyways he, turned up in Sweden in connection with STS and the swedish MoD in 1983, later again confirmed in 1985. 1986 taking part in education at JGS at K3 and also with Lars Fält at FÔS also at JGS

 

In the later parts he undertakes a mission to Afghanistan also in connection with the swedish MoD

 

1990 he turns up at K1 where he works with a guy called Tamas Weber. Weber a person from the martial arts field and with a claim of beeing a valiant Legion Etrangere soldier. In reality he was only there a bit more than 2 years and never finished his first contract.

 

Shortt and Weber teaches student CQB/CQC.

 

Shortt is also a regular visitor at KA3 , on the shooting ranges etc.

 

I have heard a few rumors of him having 2 "bodyguards" with him from the sedish MoD permanently during his stays.

 

He gives lectures on Anti Spetnaz mission at Karlberg and is later almost arrested in central Stockholm as he is exposed with a loaded AK 47 in a restaurent.

 

He asked the police leader of PIKETEN to call a specific number, and he was left with the gun in the restaurent.

 

To me it seems cracy ...or is this gentleman involved with a highly sensitive operation on behalf of the swedish MoD

 

Or in a joint venture of Sweden and the MI6 ??

 

Maybe some of the members of this forum can give hints or information of the right context

 

In advance I thank you

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okey lets get back to basics

 

In regards to Mr Shortts many adventures there are 3 possibilities

 

1. He fooled the swedish MoD so badly that they had him come basicly every year for shorter or longer periodes between 1983 and 1990

 

2. He was screened and invited by the swedish MoD as a consultant of some kind eg Specialist

 

3. The swedish MoD was told to recive him as he was sent by XXX on a joint venture. meaning that he had been screened at home

 

Fools and walts can get far, but I think that option 2 or 3 are the most plausiblel and i lean towards no 3

 

So what could a joint venture UK MoD/swedish MoD/ MI6 be about ???

 

Lets say that arms exports could be a thing

 

Lets say that the training of foreign military personel on swedish soil could be a thing

 

In the same periode there where many scandals in SWE relation to both

 

And in at least 3 of them MI6 played a role . I am sure that you know wich ??

 

So does this maybe put the story into a different light ???

 

Lars Fält is a smart man. Why should he have used so much time on Shortt if there was not an agenda. an operation and a mission ???

 

 

 

well he was in Sweden I just want to know who invited him, and how he ended up in K3, K1 and KA3 in the midle of the cold war

 

was he jus another englishman that MI6 sent to train in Sweden just as the swedes sent operators to train with the SAS at Hereford

 

there must be someone that have meet him during the perionde of 1983 to 1985???

 

Any help would be nice

 

Hi there Bluesky.

 

After checking the link provided above I, as maybe should you, find it very hard to believe that Jim was sent here by MI6, or any other government body/entity. It is probably so that he's been here but most certainly by own accord and by fooling someone within the Swedish organisation.

 

Furthermore you seem to have a lot of information regarding Jim's activities in Sweden, however without proving a shred of sources or proof of alleged missions in Afghanistan etc.

 

To me he's clearly a Walter Mitty, but maybe you like to enlighten us to why you keep hinting that his stay here was sanctioned by the UK, and that he's connected to the Vauxhall Cross?

 

GMY

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No lets get back to,who are you?

Starting your first post by "outing" someone here, (no matter who) and this without introducing yourself is strange to say the least!

 

 

okey lets get back to basics

 

In regards to Mr Shortts many adventures there are 3 possibilities

 

1. He fooled the swedish MoD so badly that they had him come basicly every year for shorter or longer periodes between 1983 and 1990

 

2. He was screened and invited by the swedish MoD as a consultant of some kind eg Specialist

 

3. The swedish MoD was told to recive him as he was sent by XXX on a joint venture. meaning that he had been screened at home

 

Fools and walts can get far, but I think that option 2 or 3 are the most plausiblel and i lean towards no 3

 

So what could a joint venture UK MoD/swedish MoD/ MI6 be about ???

 

Lets say that arms exports could be a thing

 

Lets say that the training of foreign military personel on swedish soil could be a thing

 

In the same periode there where many scandals in SWE relation to both

 

And in at least 3 of them MI6 played a role . I am sure that you know wich ??

 

So does this maybe put the story into a different light ???

 

Lars Fält is a smart man. Why should he have used so much time on Shortt if there was not an agenda. an operation and a mission ???

 

 

 

well he was in Sweden I just want to know who invited him, and how he ended up in K3, K1 and KA3 in the midle of the cold war

 

was he jus another englishman that MI6 sent to train in Sweden just as the swedes sent operators to train with the SAS at Hereford

 

there must be someone that have meet him during the perionde of 1983 to 1985???

 

Any help would be nice

 

Hi there Bluesky.

 

After checking the link provided above I, as maybe should you, find it very hard to believe that Jim was sent here by MI6, or any other government body/entity. It is probably so that he's been here but most certainly by own accord and by fooling someone within the Swedish organisation.

 

Furthermore you seem to have a lot of information regarding Jim's activities in Sweden, however without proving a shred of sources or proof of alleged missions in Afghanistan etc.

 

To me he's clearly a Walter Mitty, but maybe you like to enlighten us to why you keep hinting that his stay here was sanctioned by the UK, and that he's connected to the Vauxhall Cross?

 

GMY

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Everyone interested can make a google-search on James Jim Shortt and make their own conclusion. Anyone that has information concerning events in Sweden may contribute to this topic. If you don't want to contribute (and just nag about trolls or similar) please save us your posts.

There is a report-button that you shall use if you find a post that violates the forum regulations.

 

/Krook

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Mr Krook

 

I thank you for your posting

 

When I started the tread it was not as an ANTI Jim Shortt campaing

 

I merely found it interesting that a great number of SAS/MI6 worked and trained in Sweden and vice / versa

 

Mr Shortt was only put forward as an example, but there are many more than him.

 

Both the Bofors and Telub scandals involved MI6/SAS/MoD UK/MoD SWE directly or indirectly

 

And all this in the midst of the cold war

 

It is a proven fact that Mr Shortt was at K1, K3 and KA1

 

Its also proven that he was with Lars Fält at FÔS

 

That he undertook training at JGS

 

After the Lex Telub in 1981 this would have required a permission from the Swedish Guvernment

 

But why is it then that they deny that he was ever there, and that the swedish MoD denies ever having records of a Shortt ???

 

Its 30 years later now, but a number of documents indicates that Shortt and many other of the people that were sent to train in Sweden had connections to MI6/SAS/or some of their cover companies, to ensure deniabilty

 

But sweden was neutral or ???

 

So basicly I am just looking for an open discussion on the subject of trainig foreign soldiers or intelligence personel in sweden during the periode of 1975 to 1990

 

And why the swedish weapons industry used a great number of SAS/MoD UK and MI6 personel to promote their weaponssales

 

 

Everyone interested can make a google-search on James Jim Shortt and make their own conclusion. Anyone that has information concerning events in Sweden may contribute to this topic. If you don't want to contribute (and just nag about trolls or similar) please save us your posts.

There is a report-button that you shall use if you find a post that violates the forum regulations.

 

/Krook

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James Shortt is not an example of anything, except perhaps of how a fantasist can manage to weasel himself into various circumstances and use them to inflate his claims about himself and his achievements. Yes, there were individual military officers both in Sweden and other countries who believed Shortt long enough for him to take some photographs and add them to his fantasy portfolio. This is why you won't find anything official on him; not because of secrecy or confidentiality, but because there was no official involvement. Shortt would of course argue otherwise, but this is the typical MO of people like him: "I was a superninjacommando, but it' not in my service record because it is so secret".

 

There may well be all sort of links between Sweden and the UK, overt and covert, but Shortt is not one of them. Let it go.

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Let it GO ???

 

To me it sounds very swedish !!

 

Lets say in the case of Shortt.

 

Why was he with to other operatives at a swedish arms factory in 1983 ??

 

The production was highly sensitive and classified

 

Why was 3 members/representatives of th UK MoD there ???

 

 

James Shortt is not an example of anything, except perhaps of how a fantasist can manage to weasel himself into various circumstances and use them to inflate his claims about himself and his achievements. Yes, there were individual military officers both in Sweden and other countries who believed Shortt long enough for him to take some photographs and add them to his fantasy portfolio. This is why you won't find anything official on him; not because of secrecy or confidentiality, but because there was no official involvement. Shortt would of course argue otherwise, but this is the typical MO of people like him: "I was a superninjacommando, but it' not in my service record because it is so secret".

 

There may well be all sort of links between Sweden and the UK, overt and covert, but Shortt is not one of them. Let it go.

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Let it GO ???

 

To me it sounds very swedish !!

 

Lets say in the case of Shortt.

 

Why was he with to other operatives at a swedish arms factory in 1983 ??

 

The production was highly sensitive and classified

 

Why was 3 members/representatives of th UK MoD there ???

 

 

James Shortt is not an example of anything, except perhaps of how a fantasist can manage to weasel himself into various circumstances and use them to inflate his claims about himself and his achievements. Yes, there were individual military officers both in Sweden and other countries who believed Shortt long enough for him to take some photographs and add them to his fantasy portfolio. This is why you won't find anything official on him; not because of secrecy or confidentiality, but because there was no official involvement. Shortt would of course argue otherwise, but this is the typical MO of people like him: "I was a superninjacommando, but it' not in my service record because it is so secret".

 

There may well be all sort of links between Sweden and the UK, overt and covert, but Shortt is not one of them. Let it go.

Well, you seem very wellinformed about where this Jim has been and who he was working with at the time so to me you seem to be more able to fill out the gaps after 30 yrs then most of us at this forum.

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After sweden started studying the results of the Vietnam War and the tactical lessons learned, the whole concept of defence also transformed

 

Defencive messasures were upgraded with gerilla tactics and stay behinds

 

Special forces soldiers was integrated into regular units in order to upgrade tha capability for independant operations

 

The Swedish MoD gad a great need in experts in all related areas, and as a natural source they where looking to long time friend UK

 

After first trying to indenty suitable experts at home

 

During the periode of 1975 to 1980, experts were located and invited to Sweden

 

A wide range of people : martial arts experts, survival experts, SAS, MI 6 etc

 

Swedish personel was also sent to the UK to train

 

It is in this context that Mr Shortt and a great number like him turns up in Sweden. All considerd experts in a way or another

 

And to my knowledge it went on for almost 15 years , ending with the training of NORDBAT units in Tuzla in "bodyguard skills"

 

So I find it very interesting to learn why the came to sweden and who took the decission

 

So anyone who has a lead pleas

 

Because it all seems a NO GO in regards of swedish neutrality

 

These things are a lot more entertaining on for instance Tanknet.

 

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I guess you haven't bothered to read anything stated above, so I'll try to make this as clear as possible.

 

1. In regarads to Mr. Shortt a.k.a. The Baron of Castleshort, the man who will appear on photo in any Encylopedia under the words Walter Mitty, I would like to provide you with the following link wich I am sure will be very useful for you. Furthermore it seems to be evident that Shortt have had some dealings with the swedish state, however this seems to be based on his own initiativ and on his ability to spin the truth to some individuals.

 

2. In terms of cooperation between the UK and Sweden there is of course a lot of history. Some might be found in Osint. However, you sir seem to be very much relying upon Rumint, and that will in turn make you end up with a lot of walts.. To be perfectly honest I have yet to understand the purpose of your posts.

 

3. If, for some reason, someone should decide to air what they know outside the frame of Osint this web forum has very strict rules regarding opsec and persec, not only present but also history wise. Therefore that will not be discussed here.

 

GMY

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Of course Sweden wasn't neutral, but thats old news. Sweden has basically since WWII had a doctrine of more or less guerilla tactics, with "abandon the cities" as a first measure if we were attacked. And no Special Forces were spread out in regular forces in that time period since Swedens first SF-unit was formed in the early ninties.

 

Of course Sweden have had military exchanges with other western countries, both UK and the US, what western country hasn't? What's the news your trying to bring up?

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I heard nothing about brittish experts supporting NORDBAT2 in Bosnia during my tour there in 1995. The Guard- and Escort platoon was in my company but there were no bodyguard duties, according to my memories.

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If find it quit degrading to read your post

 

I have some very good intel, far from ARRSE and and all the rumor services

 

But what amases me the most is the complete unwill to have an open discussion

 

Why have a forum when you can NOT air your views

 

I dont say that its the case in this forum, but all to many are ruled by grumpy old men with fixed opinion that have the tendency to bullie recruits

 

an MO that might also be the case here

 

I will take my knowledge and intel somewhere else

 

But I can say that you are very wrong in regards of WHY Shortt was n Sweden and how he got there

 

Openess is a good caracter

I guess you haven't bothered to read anything stated above, so I'll try to make this as clear as possible.

 

1. In regarads to Mr. Shortt a.k.a. The Baron of Castleshort, the man who will appear on photo in any Encylopedia under the words Walter Mitty, I would like to provide you with the following link wich I am sure will be very useful for you. Furthermore it seems to be evident that Shortt have had some dealings with the swedish state, however this seems to be based on his own initiativ and on his ability to spin the truth to some individuals.

 

2. In terms of cooperation between the UK and Sweden there is of course a lot of history. Some might be found in Osint. However, you sir seem to be very much relying upon Rumint, and that will in turn make you end up with a lot of walts.. To be perfectly honest I have yet to understand the purpose of your posts.

 

3. If, for some reason, someone should decide to air what they know outside the frame of Osint this web forum has very strict rules regarding opsec and persec, not only present but also history wise. Therefore that will not be discussed here.

 

GMY

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Seriously BlueSky, why are you here? What do you want? First, it sounded like you wanted information about this man who calls himself Jim Shortt. It quickly became evident that most people here had never heard of him, and those who had any idea of who he was seems to think he's a bluff. And what do you do? Get angry at people for not knowing as well as acting all mysterious and dramatic, telling us that you have good intel on him. Intel you don't share with us, just telling people "you are so wrong about why Jim Shortt came to Sweden" and being angry with forum policy (rules which you accepted by registering your username here).

 

Clearly, you already know more about this Shortt fellow than anyone in here, and you seem to have some strong opinions about sharing and caring, so why act like an arse yourself, instead of being nice and sharing your fantastic intel?

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@Bluesky:

Openess is a good caracter

....and so is spelling. A good charateristic, that is.

 

So, in your own time:

 

1. Please explain your sources, I'd love to see if this mr. Shortt is anything other than the tartan-wearing dunce he seems to be.

2. Please show any pictures (blurring images where OPSEC would be an issue) you have, especially those regaring activities in our country.

3. For the love of god, write proper paragraphs and spell things the way Oxbridge wants them. Most of us have English as a second language, some of us as a third. I presume it is your native tongue, please show us the courtesy of using it good and proper, like.

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If find it quit degrading to read your post

 

I have some very good intel, far from ARRSE and and all the rumor services

 

But what amases me the most is the complete unwill to have an open discussion

 

Why have a forum when you can NOT air your views

 

I dont say that its the case in this forum, but all to many are ruled by grumpy old men with fixed opinion that have the tendency to bullie recruits

 

an MO that might also be the case here

 

I will take my knowledge and intel somewhere else

 

But I can say that you are very wrong in regards of WHY Shortt was n Sweden and how he got there

 

Openess is a good caracter

 

So, please, no pretty please, with sugar on top, use your "openess" and share instead of telling everyone else how wrong they are. Wouldn't that be neat? :rolleyes:

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I do fully agree with Forum Policies

 

I will give it a last shot

 

Mr Shortt and many more who were sent from the MoD UK attended training in Sweden during the cold war years

 

Confirmed is that Shortt took part in training at K1 , KA3 , K3 and I22

 

Its also confirmed that he gave a lecture at the Swedish Armed forces Staff and War College on the 19 feb 1990 between 6h30 pm and 9 pm invited by Rafael Vilén

 

Its confirmed that he was arrested and later released in Stockholm for the possesion of loaded Kalasnikoffs in a restaurant.

 

It is also confirmed that he visited several higly classified military and arms production facilities.

 

I know you will ask where I have this from. But I am sure that you will understand my need to protect my sources

 

But a big problem in any situation is the denial to look for the real facts. to decide all to soon what is the STORY

 

There is much more to the involvement of SAS / MI6 and MoD UK in Sweden that many would like to know

 

So as I stated in the tread from the beginning, Mr Shortt is only ONE example of the many that where trained also after the LEX Telub

 

And was never approved or confirmed officialy by the Guvernment !!!

 

So I just wanted to see if anyone had seen or noticed the englishmen in Sweden

 

thats all

 

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So you want to know if anyone of us here have seen or met these fellows over 20 years ago? If anyone had met them, why would they tell you this over an internet forum? Like you said yourself, you want to protect your sources for the same reason no one will tell you information like this over an internet forum, they want to protect themselves.

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Well, if you found my last post degrading you might want to stop reading right about now. For any other person reading this please understand the following:

 

In my humble opinion we might currently be seeing a kind of psyops campaign in this thread.

 

1. It is a certain fact that Jim Shortt is a Walter Mitty. It has been proved, not only by the guys over att arrse, but also on other forums around the net.

 

2. The man, the myth.. seem to be DG of IBA. An organisation that, apart of having pictures of George Bush on their website (yeah sure, they handled his security.. oh for sure.. ), on the same site also host this neat little page. No offense, but having that on a cooperate website is pretty much case closed in terms plain stupidity.

 

3. Soo.. there is a lot of information on the net cleary indicating that I should be more worried about being shot by my BG rather then by any external threat if a was to use IBA and the services of Jim Shortt. Furthermore it is quite clear that the rumored talking skills that gotten Jim Shortt this far cearly didn't transfer into being web-smart. In just a few clicks on pages that are pro-short it becomes evident that he and he's associates clearly lacks all knowledge in web design, as well as having totally missed the fact the web is basically a huge link-chart in terms om intelligence (yup, if that sounds cryptic it's supposed to be, but I guess you may figure it out).

 

4. When point 3. is evident, then what can one do? Well one simple way of trying to better the odds, maybe right before some marketing/business activities in Sweden or elsewhere, would be to start posting bogus hints on public forums that are considered serious. By writing about past cold war happenings, stating that it is a fact, but without revealing sources due to opsec (nudge nudge, know what I mean, nudge nudge, I actually was on the roof when op nimrod went down... says the fat lad in the bar) actually produces counter claims to the known facts that are widespread on internet. It is then rather easy to point people in this direction "Search and you shall find the truth! It's not all about the hate campaing, oh no.. check this page, here's a lad called Bluesky who seems to be in the know.."

 

Hence, all above taken into account, I think this is what we might see here:

 

1. We are actually having a visitor who are a bit of a Internet Celeb here.. Hi Jim, a.k.a. Bluesky.. I must ask, do you wear the kilt when you are online?

 

2. We are being visited by an associate to Jim, or a member of IBA. Have you got your IBA ring yet?

 

As always the people of SoldF have a sound judgement and can decide for themselves, so I ask you to do the same this time.

 

 

By the way Bluesky.. you wrote this in the beginning

 

"When I started the tread it was not as an ANTI Jim Shortt campaing".

 

That's exatly my point. Not once have you even acknowledged the fact that all facts points to the case of a Walt, other than by saying:

 

1. He fooled the swedish MoD so badly that they had him come basicly every year for shorter or longer periodes between 1983 and 1990

 

2. He was screened and invited by the swedish MoD as a consultant of some kind eg Specialist

 

3. The swedish MoD was told to recive him as he was sent by XXX on a joint venture. meaning that he had been screened at home

 

Fools and walts can get far, but I think that option 2 or 3 are the most plausiblel and i lean towards no 3

 

Well... I guess your intent was to start a Pro-Jim thread.. Isn't it funny how life seems to sneak up behind and kick you in the ARRSE..

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You are so far away from reality as one can get

 

NO i am not Jimbo

 

And yes I hate the living guts of the man

 

And NO I have never been a member of the IBA and will never be

 

And YES i posted that it was NOT an anti Jimbo tread

 

Because the wider connection had my interest and Jimbo was just one amung many

 

And again as I have said before I was only looking to find the real story

 

By the way if you care to find out about my relationship to Mr Shortt

 

Feel free to join

 

IBA ths Shortt story on Facebook

 

The group was started by me

 

So read and stop the nonsens of me being pro Shortt

 

Well, if you found my last post degrading you might want to stop reading right about now. For any other person reading this please understand the following:

 

In my humble opinion we might currently be seeing a kind of psyops campaign in this thread.

 

1. It is a certain fact that Jim Shortt is a Walter Mitty. It has been proved, not only by the guys over att arrse, but also on other forums around the net.

 

2. The man, the myth.. seem to be DG of IBA. An organisation that, apart of having pictures of George Bush on their website (yeah sure, they handled his security.. oh for sure.. ), on the same site also host this neat little page. No offense, but having that on a cooperate website is pretty much case closed in terms plain stupidity.

 

3. Soo.. there is a lot of information on the net cleary indicating that I should be more worried about being shot by my BG rather then by any external threat if a was to use IBA and the services of Jim Shortt. Furthermore it is quite clear that the rumored talking skills that gotten Jim Shortt this far cearly didn't transfer into being web-smart. In just a few clicks on pages that are pro-short it becomes evident that he and he's associates clearly lacks all knowledge in web design, as well as having totally missed the fact the web is basically a huge link-chart in terms om intelligence (yup, if that sounds cryptic it's supposed to be, but I guess you may figure it out).

 

4. When point 3. is evident, then what can one do? Well one simple way of trying to better the odds, maybe right before some marketing/business activities in Sweden or elsewhere, would be to start posting bogus hints on public forums that are considered serious. By writing about past cold war happenings, stating that it is a fact, but without revealing sources due to opsec (nudge nudge, know what I mean, nudge nudge, I actually was on the roof when op nimrod went down... says the fat lad in the bar) actually produces counter claims to the known facts that are widespread on internet. It is then rather easy to point people in this direction "Search and you shall find the truth! It's not all about the hate campaing, oh no.. check this page, here's a lad called Bluesky who seems to be in the know.."

 

Hence, all above taken into account, I think this is what we might see here:

 

1. We are actually having a visitor who are a bit of a Internet Celeb here.. Hi Jim, a.k.a. Bluesky.. I must ask, do you wear the kilt when you are online?

 

2. We are being visited by an associate to Jim, or a member of IBA. Have you got your IBA ring yet?

 

As always the people of SoldF have a sound judgement and can decide for themselves, so I ask you to do the same this time.

 

 

By the way Bluesky.. you wrote this in the beginning

 

"When I started the tread it was not as an ANTI Jim Shortt campaing".

 

That's exatly my point. Not once have you even acknowledged the fact that all facts points to the case of a Walt, other than by saying:

 

1. He fooled the swedish MoD so badly that they had him come basicly every year for shorter or longer periodes between 1983 and 1990

 

2. He was screened and invited by the swedish MoD as a consultant of some kind eg Specialist

 

3. The swedish MoD was told to recive him as he was sent by XXX on a joint venture. meaning that he had been screened at home

 

Fools and walts can get far, but I think that option 2 or 3 are the most plausiblel and i lean towards no 3

 

Well... I guess your intent was to start a Pro-Jim thread.. Isn't it funny how life seems to sneak up behind and kick you in the ARRSE..

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So, why don't you tell us of your sources of him ever being in Sweden?

If i had been fooled by Mr. Short in the 80's i would like it to be forgotten and not dragged in the open now.

However, Blueskye knows when, where and with whom Mr. Short worked with so an email to these guys maybe would be a good start. If these guys wont tell Blueskye, the chans of getting some trustworthy facts in this forum is slim, to say the least....

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Okey so lets get a few things out in the open

 

Not realy sure if you are going to like it but theese are a few of the facts for starters :

 

Shortt and a few other operators turns up in Sweden in 1983 at FFV in Eskilstuna.

 

This is an arrangement between the UK MoD/MI6 and the swedish MoD/Guvernment

 

During this time Shortt is attached to a MI6 coverupp called Special Training Services, that is closly attached to SAS

 

The visit to sweden is in preparation to a joint venture between FFV and MoD UK in Africa

 

At this stage Shortt and the others have become friends with Lars Fält and have a contact point in London via Göran de Geer the swedish military attache

 

So he didnt WALT himself there, the swedes where asked to recive him, as he had been screened at home. One of the reasons that I have mentioned i a previous posting.

 

After the joint venture in africa(classified)

 

He then turns up for further education with Lars Fält at I 22 and at FÔS. The seems to have become personal friends.

 

1986 he attends JGS and visits a great number of highly sensetive military establishments.

 

The next year he conducts a mission to Afghanistan, partly on behalf of the swedish MoD to observe gurilla tactics and anti Spetznas operations.

 

A number of Swedes from the police and martial arts environment, goes to UK and revives training from subsidarys of the Special Training services and even directly from the SAS.

 

At the end of the 80s Shortt and Tamas Weber are employed again for consultancy and training duties at K1 in Stockholm

 

My research has identified him as one of over 20 UK operatives in Sweden during the same time periode.

 

Most people that follow this tread knows about Mr shortts later Walt carrer

 

But if you reflect and think again for a few minutes

 

There might have been something real in the beginning. Even reality

 

In the late 80s his drinking problems takes over and he is to flashy about secrets. cant keep his mouth shutt.

 

So he is blacballed as he works for an organisation that was created to obtain denyability.

 

He then in 1990 turns towards the IBA and the carrer as king of FAKE.

 

From there only downhill

 

But how could all these englishmen work in Sweden ??

 

It was never approved by the guvernment "officialy" as was the rule after LEX Telub in 1981

 

Many of the operatives, came from 21 and 23 SAS, they mostly had uniforms on, and they were assisted by swedish supervisors at all times

 

I have many accounts on that

 

So why is it denyed ??

 

to be continued

 

 

So, why don't you tell us of your sources of him ever being in Sweden?

If i had been fooled by Mr. Short in the 80's i would like it to be forgotten and not dragged in the open now.

However, Blueskye knows when, where and with whom Mr. Short worked with so an email to these guys maybe would be a good start. If these guys wont tell Blueskye, the chans of getting some trustworthy facts in this forum is slim, to say the least....

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@Blueskye

Im not saying that you are a troll but you seem to have the same perceverance as one.

If you have all the information on where, with whom etc, what are you asking us for?

It is isnt likely that either the swedish armes forces, the goverment or some other officials is goin to give you a full official statement about what you call covert operations training/ preparations that seems to be either classified or initated by individuals sidestepping the official chain of command in an open internet forum.

So, what do you want from me that I can give you whitout either blow my cover or break my proffessionaly stated secrecy?

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