Bluesky

Okey so lets get a few things out in the open Not realy sure if you are going to like it but theese are a few of the facts for starters : Shortt and a few other operators turns up in Sweden in 1983 at FFV in Eskilstuna. This is an arrangement between the UK MoD/MI6 and the swedish MoD/Guvernment During this time Shortt is attached to a MI6 coverupp called Special Training Services, that is closly attached to SAS The visit to sweden is in preparation to a joint venture between FFV and MoD UK in Africa At this stage Shortt and the others have become friends with Lars Fält and have a contact point in London via Göran de Geer the swedish military attache So he didnt WALT himself there, the swedes where asked to recive him, as he had been screened at home. One of the reasons that I have mentioned i a previous posting. After the joint venture in africa(classified) He then turns up for further education with Lars Fält at I 22 and at FÔS. The seems to have become personal friends. 1986 he attends JGS and visits a great number of highly sensetive military establishments. The next year he conducts a mission to Afghanistan, partly on behalf of the swedish MoD to observe gurilla tactics and anti Spetznas operations. A number of Swedes from the police and martial arts environment, goes to UK and revives training from subsidarys of the Special Training services and even directly from the SAS. At the end of the 80s Shortt and Tamas Weber are employed again for consultancy and training duties at K1 in Stockholm My research has identified him as one of over 20 UK operatives in Sweden during the same time periode. Most people that follow this tread knows about Mr shortts later Walt carrer But if you reflect and think again for a few minutes There might have been something real in the beginning. Even reality In the late 80s his drinking problems takes over and he is to flashy about secrets. cant keep his mouth shutt. So he is blacballed as he works for an organisation that was created to obtain denyability. He then in 1990 turns towards the IBA and the carrer as king of FAKE. From there only downhill But how could all these englishmen work in Sweden ?? It was never approved by the guvernment "officialy" as was the rule after LEX Telub in 1981 Many of the operatives, came from 21 and 23 SAS, they mostly had uniforms on, and they were assisted by swedish supervisors at all times I have many accounts on that So why is it denyed ?? to be continued If i had been fooled by Mr. Short in the 80's i would like it to be forgotten and not dragged in the open now. However, Blueskye knows when, where and with whom Mr. Short worked with so an email to these guys maybe would be a good start. If these guys wont tell Blueskye, the chans of getting some trustworthy facts in this forum is slim, to say the least....

You are so far away from reality as one can get NO i am not Jimbo And yes I hate the living guts of the man And NO I have never been a member of the IBA and will never be And YES i posted that it was NOT an anti Jimbo tread Because the wider connection had my interest and Jimbo was just one amung many And again as I have said before I was only looking to find the real story By the way if you care to find out about my relationship to Mr Shortt Feel free to join IBA ths Shortt story on Facebook The group was started by me So read and stop the nonsens of me being pro Shortt That's exatly my point. Not once have you even acknowledged the fact that all facts points to the case of a Walt, other than by saying: Well... I guess your intent was to start a Pro-Jim thread.. Isn't it funny how life seems to sneak up behind and kick you in the ARRSE..

I do fully agree with Forum Policies I will give it a last shot Mr Shortt and many more who were sent from the MoD UK attended training in Sweden during the cold war years Confirmed is that Shortt took part in training at K1 , KA3 , K3 and I22 Its also confirmed that he gave a lecture at the Swedish Armed forces Staff and War College on the 19 feb 1990 between 6h30 pm and 9 pm invited by Rafael Vilén Its confirmed that he was arrested and later released in Stockholm for the possesion of loaded Kalasnikoffs in a restaurant. It is also confirmed that he visited several higly classified military and arms production facilities. I know you will ask where I have this from. But I am sure that you will understand my need to protect my sources But a big problem in any situation is the denial to look for the real facts. to decide all to soon what is the STORY There is much more to the involvement of SAS / MI6 and MoD UK in Sweden that many would like to know So as I stated in the tread from the beginning, Mr Shortt is only ONE example of the many that where trained also after the LEX Telub And was never approved or confirmed officialy by the Guvernment !!! So I just wanted to see if anyone had seen or noticed the englishmen in Sweden thats all .

If find it quit degrading to read your post I have some very good intel, far from ARRSE and and all the rumor services But what amases me the most is the complete unwill to have an open discussion Why have a forum when you can NOT air your views I dont say that its the case in this forum, but all to many are ruled by grumpy old men with fixed opinion that have the tendency to bullie recruits an MO that might also be the case here I will take my knowledge and intel somewhere else But I can say that you are very wrong in regards of WHY Shortt was n Sweden and how he got there Openess is a good caracter

After sweden started studying the results of the Vietnam War and the tactical lessons learned, the whole concept of defence also transformed Defencive messasures were upgraded with gerilla tactics and stay behinds Special forces soldiers was integrated into regular units in order to upgrade tha capability for independant operations The Swedish MoD gad a great need in experts in all related areas, and as a natural source they where looking to long time friend UK After first trying to indenty suitable experts at home During the periode of 1975 to 1980, experts were located and invited to Sweden A wide range of people : martial arts experts, survival experts, SAS, MI 6 etc Swedish personel was also sent to the UK to train It is in this context that Mr Shortt and a great number like him turns up in Sweden. All considerd experts in a way or another And to my knowledge it went on for almost 15 years , ending with the training of NORDBAT units in Tuzla in "bodyguard skills" So I find it very interesting to learn why the came to sweden and who took the decission So anyone who has a lead pleas Because it all seems a NO GO in regards of swedish neutrality

Let it GO ??? To me it sounds very swedish !! Lets say in the case of Shortt. Why was he with to other operatives at a swedish arms factory in 1983 ?? The production was highly sensitive and classified Why was 3 members/representatives of th UK MoD there ???

Mr Krook I thank you for your posting When I started the tread it was not as an ANTI Jim Shortt campaing I merely found it interesting that a great number of SAS/MI6 worked and trained in Sweden and vice / versa Mr Shortt was only put forward as an example, but there are many more than him. Both the Bofors and Telub scandals involved MI6/SAS/MoD UK/MoD SWE directly or indirectly And all this in the midst of the cold war It is a proven fact that Mr Shortt was at K1, K3 and KA1 Its also proven that he was with Lars Fält at FÔS That he undertook training at JGS After the Lex Telub in 1981 this would have required a permission from the Swedish Guvernment But why is it then that they deny that he was ever there, and that the swedish MoD denies ever having records of a Shortt ??? Its 30 years later now, but a number of documents indicates that Shortt and many other of the people that were sent to train in Sweden had connections to MI6/SAS/or some of their cover companies, to ensure deniabilty But sweden was neutral or ??? So basicly I am just looking for an open discussion on the subject of trainig foreign soldiers or intelligence personel in sweden during the periode of 1975 to 1990 And why the swedish weapons industry used a great number of SAS/MoD UK and MI6 personel to promote their weaponssales

okey lets get back to basics In regards to Mr Shortts many adventures there are 3 possibilities 1. He fooled the swedish MoD so badly that they had him come basicly every year for shorter or longer periodes between 1983 and 1990 2. He was screened and invited by the swedish MoD as a consultant of some kind eg Specialist 3. The swedish MoD was told to recive him as he was sent by XXX on a joint venture. meaning that he had been screened at home Fools and walts can get far, but I think that option 2 or 3 are the most plausiblel and i lean towards no 3 So what could a joint venture UK MoD/swedish MoD/ MI6 be about ??? Lets say that arms exports could be a thing Lets say that the training of foreign military personel on swedish soil could be a thing In the same periode there where many scandals in SWE relation to both And in at least 3 of them MI6 played a role . I am sure that you know wich ?? So does this maybe put the story into a different light ??? Lars Fält is a smart man. Why should he have used so much time on Shortt if there was not an agenda. an operation and a mission ??? well he was in Sweden I just want to know who invited him, and how he ended up in K3, K1 and KA3 in the midle of the cold war was he jus another englishman that MI6 sent to train in Sweden just as the swedes sent operators to train with the SAS at Hereford there must be someone that have meet him during the perionde of 1983 to 1985??? Any help would be nice Hi there Bluesky. After checking the link provided above I, as maybe should you, find it very hard to believe that Jim was sent here by MI6, or any other government body/entity. It is probably so that he's been here but most certainly by own accord and by fooling someone within the Swedish organisation. Furthermore you seem to have a lot of information regarding Jim's activities in Sweden, however without proving a shred of sources or proof of alleged missions in Afghanistan etc. To me he's clearly a Walter Mitty, but maybe you like to enlighten us to why you keep hinting that his stay here was sanctioned by the UK, and that he's connected to the Vauxhall Cross? GMY

well he was in Sweden I just want to know who invited him, and how he ended up in K3, K1 and KA3 in the midle of the cold war was he jus another englishman that MI6 sent to train in Sweden just as the swedes sent operators to train with the SAS at Hereford there must be someone that have meet him during the perionde of 1983 to 1985??? Any help would be nice

James "Jim" Shortt(english/irish), Had a long adventure with the swedish MoD It started back in the years of the cold war and went all the way to Tuzla during NORDBAT. It seems difficult to understand WHY ??? the swedish MoD needed the services of this gentleman! He claims to have a military background from the SAS, it seems quite hard to verify. He later served with an outfit called STS (Special Training Services) an MI6 cover up of Black OPS and sensitive operations. Anyways he, turned up in Sweden in connection with STS and the swedish MoD in 1983, later again confirmed in 1985. 1986 taking part in education at JGS at K3 and also with Lars Fält at FÔS also at JGS In the later parts he undertakes a mission to Afghanistan also in connection with the swedish MoD 1990 he turns up at K1 where he works with a guy called Tamas Weber. Weber a person from the martial arts field and with a claim of beeing a valiant Legion Etrangere soldier. In reality he was only there a bit more than 2 years and never finished his first contract. Shortt and Weber teaches student CQB/CQC. Shortt is also a regular visitor at KA3 , on the shooting ranges etc. I have heard a few rumors of him having 2 "bodyguards" with him from the sedish MoD permanently during his stays. He gives lectures on Anti Spetnaz mission at Karlberg and is later almost arrested in central Stockholm as he is exposed with a loaded AK 47 in a restaurent. He asked the police leader of PIKETEN to call a specific number, and he was left with the gun in the restaurent. To me it seems cracy ...or is this gentleman involved with a highly sensitive operation on behalf of the swedish MoD Or in a joint venture of Sweden and the MI6 ?? Maybe some of the members of this forum can give hints or information of the right context In advance I thank you